Finding the Legendary Lake Copala and the Seven Cities of Gold PART TWO

 

PART TWO

Origins of

The Seven Cities Legends

America Septentrionalis
Septem cita, Calalus (Cali-cuas)

It was believed and still is by many that the origins of the legends or what they call “Myths” of the 7 Cities would seem to have its beginnings in the Aztec tales, however this may be true regarding the use of the word combination of 7 cities of “Cibola, Ceula or Cevola” Copala, Calicuas or Clalulus and the like, the majority of the early maps have a nice mix of old Latin Nahuatl and occasional Greek words. However the origins of the legends are much older, even older than the Aztec.

Often the academic world is quick to excuse that which does not fit the curriculum of Smithsonian or it simply cannot be explained by them as the mind, as a result of that indoctrination program, would seem to be trapped in a box, whether willingly, unknowingly or under the threat of duress or financial coercion. Some don't like to hear it, but as they say, if it quakes like a duck... as I have said before, Intelligence is not the ability to regurgitate indoctrination....

As said previously in part one, the earliest reference I have found mentioning Copala often associated with Cibola was in the record of Francisco de Ibarra 1554 However in the voyages of John Cabot in 1497 it is clear he had knowledge of the place and it was his intent to find it... Why? It is very clear by other earlier records that the seven cities was a key motivator of expeditions to the new world for many centuries prior, if not all the way back to the days of King Solomon where in his ships headed by Hirum, the Pheonician King of Tyre and he traveled to the place of Ophir, a 3 year journey which was made time and time again, and each time they returned with a boat load of gold and other valuables. It is these incidents of travel that I believe was a primary motivator for many expeditions to follow...

Now although no specific mention of 7 cities is made, there is an unusual occurrence found in the story of Solomon, no sooner than Hirum returns from the land of Ophir, the very next verse in the record of the Bible is of the Queen of Sheba, NOT Seba as some would like to think, it would likely be more accurate to call her the Queen of Shemba or (Shem-Bahla) of the Hindu language, or its English meaning, the Children of Shem. Why would a people refer to themselves as the Children of Shem, unless of course they were at the time living among one of the other two sons of Noah’s descendants such as the Children of Japeth?.. and ON the American continent yet. Can we argue with the known DNA results of the many western tribes, North West, Central and South? The Queen was NOT of Ethiopian origin as some slothful and wishfull thinking scholars have... surmised. She was of Indian (India) Origin, and the earliest of the Hindu religion... but not from India. I don't think it coincident the first verse after the return trip of Hiram is mentioned the incident of the Queen of Sheba.

Maya, Queen of Sheba

the Mother of Gautama Buddha

Mayan Queen of Shem Bala?

(Painting From the Caves of Ajanta)

Vajrapani

Son of Buddha,

Son of King Solomon?

(Painting From the Caves of Ajanta)

There are many words in the Yucatan, that bear similar to near exact words found in the Hindu/Tibetan religion and also of origins found in Latin or Greek. I often wonder what the world would say, if they discovered the word Aztecas, the Greek word Asketecos and the English word ascetics are all of the same origin and the words Guatemala and Guatema Buddha’ sharing a same root.

Now Buddha of the Tibetain and Hindu belief is said to have been born in this so called mythical place of Shambahla a place of 7 cities arranged in the form of a Lotus, the place of the Kaliki Kings, Kali or (Cali) the Hindu Goddess and may I reach a bit further in the origins of the term Cali-fornia, the Forest of Kali If the implication made herein has any merit, this would be the earliest reference I am aware of regarding a distant place with 7 cities referenced estimated at about 900 to 600 BC. Are there evidences here in the west that might give credence to this implication? Oh, more than you would believe…

The Chinese also have their so called “Myths” regarding a place in the new world of 7 cities, no surprise there but I would anticipate this being one with "Mythical" Shambhala.

We have all heard the legends of the famous Atlantis first appearing in the writings of Plato, Atlan-tis, suffix -tis, -otis (-της, -ώτης): meaning "of" a place the Greek person's ancestors are from, or From Atlan, [Aztlan, Avlon]. His student Aristotle suggest this place of which Plato spoke as being one and the same with Antillia. Antillia is considered as is all things the academic world can’t figure out as a phantom island, it was also known as an Island of Seven Cities. Antillia has long since been disregarded as a fable, or even excused as the Canary Islands that are the source. Plato and Aristotle wrote of this some time in the 3^rd century BC having its origins from an old Iberian legend.

Now we have the legends of King Aurthur and his legendary Island of Avalon  (/ˈævəˌlɒn/; Welsh: probably from afal, meaning "apple") [of which I would disagree, simply because the word Avalon is not of Welsh origin, but is their pronunciation of Aztlan] is a legendary island featured in the Arthurian legend. It first appears in Geoffrey of Monmouth's 1136AD pseudohistorical account Historia Regum Britanniae ("The History of the Kings of Britain") as the place where King Arthur's sword Excalibur was forged and later where Arthur was taken to recover from his wounds after the Battle of Camlann. King Arthur is said to have lived in the late 5th and early 6th centuries AD.

Although I do not recall a reference to 7 cities in the Arthurian legend, I can not help but notice the linguistic similarities suggesting a mispronunciation by different cultures of what would likely be the most original form of the word, Aztlan, Atlan-tis, Avlon or Affalon each A with the pronunciation begining sound of aw or Awe. I would venture to say they all have the same origins perhaps Havilah?. Interestingly enough the Aztec Codex rendition of their ancient home of Aztlan, 7 caves or cities, resembles very much the description given with respect to the Tibetan or Hindu Shambahla where in it is said, “there were 7 cities in the form of a Lotus, the ancient masters had discovered 7 precepts so powerful men would embrace them without question”

  

Aztec Codex rendition of the 7 Caves

in which they emerged and lived for near 300 years

after they were expelled from their more ancient home of Aztlan

One cannot help but think the 7 precepts and of the 7 Bishops who fled the Iberian peninsula in the Muslim conquest of 714 AD and found inscribed in the 1507/08 map of Johannes Ruysch, which reads (in English):

This island Antilia was once found by the Portuguese, but now when it is searched, cannot be found. People found here speak the Hispanic language, and are believed to have fled here in face of a barbarian invasion of Hispania, in the time of King Roderic, [About 700 AD] the last to govern Hispania in the era of the Goths. There is 1 archbishop here and 6 other bishops, each of whom has his own city; and so it is called the island of seven cities. The people live here in the most Christian manner, replete with all the riches of this century… KEEPING in mind... Aristotle wrote about Antillia in 300 BC. Many of us are familiar with the story of Prince Madoc having came to the Americas long before Columbus in the late 12th century, it would seem his story goes much deeper than any have written so far. Madoc came at the tail end of almost 1200 years of previous expeditions of his grandfathers.

1507/08 map of Johannes Ruysch

(See the Tucson Lead Cross artifacts)

The first occupation of the Holy Roman empire, (Referred to as Pueblos) in this area was 100 BC and to about 400 AD when they were overthrown, they returned again 300 years later in about 700 AD and brought the Toltec under submission... again, only to loose power again in about 1000 AD, this is one of the best kept secrets of the Royal families but one has to wonder why? Moteczuma whom Cortes conquered was a direct descendant of the Royal families of the British Isles which is a large part as to why King Charles I wanted Cortes's head for waging war on Mexico after all, he was killing the kings relatives, after 6 years of pleading his greedy case, Cortes was pardoned. The ruins of these early men from the British Isles in some places can still be found to this day. The principle city of Tontonteac (Casa Grande of Nevada, 5 miles of which is now under Lake Mead) Marata (Casa Grande) Chuco (Recent possible discovery near Washington Utah). Abacus Nuc Granada, (the capitol city of the area), and is believed to have been found but remains confidential at this time until it can be proven.

The Ruin in the following images are believed to be of the people mentioned in the previous paragraph. According to two experts in the field, neither will say WHAT it is, but they were willing to say it is not of Indian origin, nor Spanish. The Key factors at the site is the round structures at the two corners, the size of the overall structure and average height of the walls at about 7 feet tall and up to 8 feet.

Photos Courtesy of Evan Aris and Mike Dennett

All of the above have many compelling evidences in addition to what can be found in the book the Forbidden Histories of the Americas It would seem there is so much more yet to be told concerning the history of the continent, and it seems an open effort is still in place to keep it from being known… what is it the elite are after, what is it that is apparently unknown or hidden here in this place in the west that has seemingly compelled expeditions funded by the Royal Families of British Isles or the Holy Roman Empire and others? Why is it when they came here in 775 AD they lived according to the Roman Catholic faith but when they returned they had for some reason adopted and integrated a set of Jewish beliefs and referred to themselves from that time on as Roman Jewish. Where did this Jewish twist come from? Why is it that they still to this day covet this land? History without any doubt repeats itself, keep your eyes open, because it is all coming again.

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Finding the Legendary Lake Copala and the Seven Cities of Gold PART ONE

PART ONE

Lake Copola of the 15th and 16th Century Maps

In the Uinta Basin is the scarce remains of evidence of an ancient lake that once existed in the distant past, Lake Uinta. Like its neighbors Lake Goshute and Lake Bonneville, speculation from geologists based on a flawed dating system, labels the Lakes existence some 33 to 50 Million years ago, and lake Bonneville at some 14,000 years ago of which is said to be  a glacial lake from "the last Ice Age". If this were true, why wasn't there glacial lakes where Lake Goshute and Lake Uinta once existed? What events cause the massive river rock deposits in the Basin and Kamas Valley? What event was large enough to create the immense river deltas that the entire city of Orem is built upon not to mention the massive river delta in which Hill Field Air Force base and Washington Terrace sits upon. Does this conform to the slow melting process of ice? There has to be another explanation. There are to many inconsistencies however this article is designed to focus on my question... 

How is it that a 33 Million year old lake, managed to find its way onto 15th and 16th Century maps? How did the cartographers get so lucky not only in the placement of this lake, but nearly mirror imaging its actual shape?

Geologists map

Ancient Lake Bonneville and its neighbor Lake Uinta (Copola)

The Origins of the legends of lake Copola often associated with the 7 cities of Cibola are obscure to say the least, and to find the origins is not easy. It would seem the earliest mentions of Copola are found in the record of Francisco de Ibarra who was placed at the head of an expedition in 1554 sanctioned and likely funded by King Phillip II. In 1562 he headed another expedition and in the commentary I was reading, it is said that “he was searching for the fabled golden city of Copola (also called Cibola).” However, there was NO city of Copala, and Cibola is NOT another name for Copola. Copala, Copal-lah, “lah or ah” making it possessive as in the place of Copal, was a lake which likely received its name from Nahuatl origins and as a result of the Copal tree which was found to be growing all around Lake Copola. 

Copal-chi is a smaller variety and has its origins in Central and South America. Copal is said by many sources to mean “Incense” and this is a narrow view. The Meaning of Copal is unknown, other than it refers to the tree which is a source of the resin obtained from its sap which is used for incense, and other things, and is likely synonymous with varieties of Frankincense and Myrrh along with Palo Santo meaning “Holy Wood” or Bursera graveolens, AND which is of the same family (Burseraceae) as frankincense and myrrh, Why is this important to know? You will learn this in the Forbidden Histories of the Americas.

Copali is also said to be a Nahuatl word meaning “incense,” as well and this is not so either, Copali is the sap or resin that comes from the Copal tree that man uses for incense and other things. The earliest know reference to the Lake Copola which was in the “Land of Cibola” that was never found, may have its origins with Coronado which the records insinuate he may have heard from El Turk, either a Wichita or a Pawnee Indian. I have not yet been able to find an earlier reference…

Why the sermon?

Legends have a way of being twisted into conjecture and as a result become legends themselves such as the Legend of Moctezuma instructing 2000 of his warriors to haul hoards of Gold back to their ancient homeland of Aztlan, and it simply didn't happen and there is no foundation to this concocted legend, HOWEVER, there are some truths within, as the fleeing Aztec DID return that which was highly regarded by them, It just wasn’t gold and silver as you have been led to believe… There was also in the time of Moctezuma the 1st where in he sent gifts in the form of riches intended as a gift, to their own people whom they had left behind a few hundred years prior.

It is my intention to show that when I research the things which I write about, that it is from the most original resource material available, not wiki or other internet resources which are often speculative, unreliable, intentionally misleading and I might add, sometimes not true in the slightest.

With the forgoing said, I want to bring your attention to the many maps of the 15th and 16th century, which show a definite lake situated at the unmistakable place of the Uinta Basin of Utah. Many suppose the land of Cibola was in Northern Arizona, according to the earliest references made by Spaniards full of pride, boasting to have found this place but all of them were lacking one clear identifier, a lake. The cities shown on these maps referenced as Tontonteac, a principle city although not the Capital city and of the land of Granada, which was located at the North end of Lake Mead and is now five miles under the reservoir, it is now known as Casa Grande of Nevada and has been downplayed extremely by Academia. 

Tontonteac or should I say it’s location is ancient in that it is the very location of the FIRST landing or city on this continent since the great flood of the Bible, it was first known as Anahuac of the most ancient Aztec. The other cities such as Abacus nuc Granada, Marata, Axa, Chuco, Tignas, Cibola etc and according to these maps, were not of the land of Cibola, they are of the land of Granada or Granata, and were given their names by a latter people who arrived on this land in about 100 BC. The archaeologist who participated in the archaeological discovery of a city east of Washington Utah, do not even know it had a name and that it is found on a 15th century maps!

A portion of the Granata Nova Map of 1597 by Cornelis Wytfliet Belgium

Those who made these maps such as Herman Moll and publisher Cornelis van Wytfliet, were merely operating on fragments of information that they had gleaned from the Royal families they represented and from fragmented information that the Royal families of that country had kept since ancient times before falling out of good graces with the Roman Empire, and/or England. England and/or the Roman Empire are those who had the majority of the information dating back to the days of King David and King Solomon and in the past had shared parts with Wales, Scotland, Prussia, France, Spain and other countries of the British Isles through the Royal ties. However by the time Spain and France ran off looking for their seemingly newly acquired information of their day, it is clear that they only had a small part of it, and one part of that is what tells me of its authenticity and gives credence to the previous seeming speculative chapters.

A portion of the Moll Map of 1720

The above Moll map escaped my view for some time largely because of the river shown exiting to the east, however on closer examination, it would seem that it is the same lake the Spanish were looking for not only because of the shape, but its location on the map. It is 50 miles from Taos to Santa Fe and 300 miles from Taos to the Basin area of Uinta county Utah. The Moll map showing Taos and Santa Fe, if one measures the distance between the two cities, they will find that using this distance times 6 will give you the distance to the lake shown on the Moll Map. 

On the Moll map, Moll makes it clear that many parts of his map is taken from ”Original” draughts of Blackmore and Berisford, and others never before published. It would seem it was common for Cartographers of the day to glean as much information from other maps which makes sense as a practice. The Piri Reis map of 1513 when discovered showed a great deal of accuracy in the new world, and an ICE FREE Antarctica! It is said when the map was found; 

IN 1929, A GROUP OF HISTORIANS found an amazing map drawn on a gazelle skin. Research showed that it was a genuine document drawn in 1513 by Piri Reis, a famous admiral of the Turkish fleet in the sixteenth century. His passion was cartography.

Piri Reis high rank within the Turkish navy allowed him to have a privileged access to the Imperial Library of Constantinople [or rather that which "came from" Constantinople]. The Turkish admiral admits, in a series of notes on the map, that he compiled and copied the data from a large number of source maps,some of which dated back to the fourth century BC or earlier.

Where are these maps today?

Looking at the Spanish Granta Nova map of 1597 and the French Moll map of 1715, it would appear the Spanish were leading in the amount of information the two had. I say this because of the uncanny resemblance of the Lake shown on the two maps compared to the following images.

In the Uinta Basin of Utah, it is a well known geological fact that nearly the entire eastern half of Utah was covered by and ancient ocean, and it is a well known fact that after this ocean had dispersed, a lake remained of which geologists call Lake Uinta and it is well know the boundaries of it due to the fossil ripples of sand that clearly shows its boundaries, this occurs at the elevation of approximately 6000 feet and down to its lower levels of about 5500 feet. The problem is, science tells us that this lake has not existed for 33 million years. 

The two following images are the ancient lake according to 30 minute USGS shading techniques used from the All Topo Map program and overlayed onto Google Earth, in other words the boundaries you see in the Google Earth images are quite accurate. The first is showing the ancient lake boundaries at a lower level of about 5500 feet and compared to the Granata map.

The 33 million year old lake Uinta on a 400 year old map, 
How could this be?

The following image is the same 33 million year old lake highlighted at 6000 feet and shown compared to the French Moll Map of 1720, keep in mind it is very clear in the document of Baron de Lahonton’s 1688 Journey of the Long River, that he never made it to the Lake he was looking for, so how is it that the map maker got so lucky? Who was it that seen the lake and apparently documented it long before Lahonton’s Journey?

Google Image Compared to the French Moll Map of 1720

Defining the boundaries of the ancient lake Copala using 
AllTopo Maping elevation shading techniques

The end results reveals an image that has not been seen for about 1000 years, 
NOT 33 million years

I wish science would trash the C-14 dating system 

Americae Nova Tabula Willem Janzoon Blaeu 1640

Nova Orbis Tabvla F De Wit 1670 of Amsterdam of the Netherlands

Nova et rece terraum et regnorum Californae 1600 

So where were these cartographers getting their information who are over 100 years apart during which time being at war with each other from time to time? How is that Belgium 100 years prior to the others seems to be the most accurate of which I am sure they had limited knowledge of? The answer to all these questions lies within the Roman Jewish Empire who are the originators of these legends and information, who frequented the Americas as early as 100 BC. They established colonies and built cities over the next 500 years and then lost power around 400 AD (The "Fall" of the Western Roman Empire) and were vanquished by the inhabitants they formerly held in bondage and left the new world only to return and re-conquer it in about 700 AD and to be overthrown again in about 900 to 1000 AD by the Toltec Ruled by a Welsh King! 

The 7 Cities of Cibola
Is it possible to find the remnant of these 7 cities?

What was it that was so compelling to keep drawing the Royal Families to this so called mythical place here in Utah? What is it that is so important that even to this day the full details of the many migrations to this place are still suppress and hidden by those in Rome and of the Royal families? Why has knowledge of the many adventures, wars and accomplishments been hidden away? The records of the Aztec giving details of these things, the many maps bearing seemingly similar information and the many stories retained in the old writings of the British Isles and surrounding, IF you can read between the lines and the see the many archaeological discoveries that have occurred; it would seem the religion of Smithsonian is on it like flies on dung to suppress it and render a hoax or non existence. It is quite obvious there is so much more to the history of this continent, what is it they are hiding and do not want you to know? For a plausible hypothesis, may I suggest a reading of... The Forbidden Histories of the Americas and The Treasures of Utah, But even after this, there is so much more to the story….

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The Native American Petroglyph and Pictographs REVISED & Expanded

 Original Post April 13th 2015

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The Native American Petroglyph and Pictographs

Many years ago when I stumbled across my first petroglyphs, I stared in amazement and wonder... What does this mean? I thought.. I was so stricken by the panel I found, I just had to know... Of all the academic publications thst I found, regarding Petroglyphs and Pictographs, I found that those who should know, do not know, and then I stumbled accross one lonely publication that showed that someone seemed to know something about the meaning of Native American Petroglyphs, and applying the principles he taught in the field, it became more and more apparent that there was something to the Hypothesis of LaVan Martineau in his book, The Rocks Begin to Speak.

In the following pages I will do my best to bring you up to date concerning my findings in this still hypothesis. In the two following images I am going to give you the translation as simple as it needs to be, the message from the past as to what message was intended by them, and later in this progressive report, I will demonstrate a "breakdown" of the glyphs and explain why I have given the meaning I have... for those of you interested, stay tuned, but for the skeptics let me remind you, you have no knowledge to the contrary. It would be like trying to refute the Bible, when you have never opened the pages.

There is a tree growing upon a rock and covering it, the tree has been cut off in the middle with two remaining branches which spread wide. The rock it grows upon is a part of a cavern, All of this is hard to see. 

After reading this I wondered, but how do I find this? Why is this here? And then, I noticed just a few yards away, these instructions...

There is a man made object, made to hold something, from this (side) outcrop, turn left and go down. over the ledges, through the wash (Gully, Rock Incorporation)) to here. 

After a little trial and error, I found the tree spoken of and sure enough it grew upon a large rock and as you stand in front of it all, I find that the first glyph above, looks just as the location it is found. Upon this rock on which the tree grows, was the final instructions to find what was hidden a very long time ago... but it went un-noticed until the tree was trimmed a little...

The tree above is the very tree which grows upon a very large rock. Prior to some trimming of the thick overgrowth, you could not see the implications, nor could you even come close to seeing the final glyph indicated by the red arrow.

The tree appears exactly as the glyph says, the middle has been cut out by a sharp thin blade which can be no other than a broad blade axe or sword. A branch has grown out since the larger center branches were cut, this branch grew into the path where one of the larger branches would have been if it had not been cut. To me this was a golden opportunity to at least get some idea as to how long ago the tree had been cut. The branch which had grown into the path of the now missing branch core sampled at 200 plus years. How many years had past since the cutting, had this branch began to grow is unknown. But who ever pecked the glyphs found as per the instructions of the petroglyphs nearby, they obviously knew of its cutting and it is suspect to have been cut by Spaniards, but why would they do this? There is one other suspect group who may be responsible, but I will hold my tongue for now. And why would the Indigenous go to so much trouble to obscure the site, and then provide a cryptic message to preserve its location? We will not know until we open what remains closed...

In the following pages I am going to give you a little treatise that I hope will help you to understand the basis of the hypothesis of the Native American Petroglyph, as a written language, according to myself, and LaVan Martineau.

The Ancient Hieroglyph 

Remember, at the end of this treatise which will be several parts, (Now Combined) I will give and explanation of the first two photos found in the first part, in the form of what I have come to call a "breakdown" of the panel or glyphs.

My first Panel

 (My journey began by following the (locator glyphs) found in the bottom right, "Cross over here (or this place), go to the top of the next hill or (ridge), go a Fair distance, 

(Which was approximately 1/3 of a mile)

In the course of teaching the principles of LaVan Martineau pertaining to what is commonly referred to as the Native American Petroglyph, many misunderstandings have come up, many questions as to different forms of hieroglyphs found here in North America regarding a relationship with the former, but are they really so different? If you do not approach this with an open mind you will receive no benefit. PROVE ME WRONG; I invite it, but don’t just throw me questions of which the answer cannot be understood if you do not understand where my answer comes from. How many times have you found yourself trying to answer some Religious question of which you know is perfectly understood by those who have read the book, but can’t seem to convey the same message with results, to someone who refuses to read the book from which the question and the answer derives? How many times have you received the answer Oh I’ve read the book with this supposing to satisfy you in why you are wrong when you know that not only have you read the book, studied it, applied the principles in the field and proved them, but have done this numerous times over the years?

Let me side step a bit... Many years ago, I was invited by an archaeologist and student which was her husband, to pay a visit to an area near Ferron Utah At the time I thought it was because they had a true interest in the hypothesis, and I suppose they may have... we traveled up the canyon a ways and they stopped and we all got out and they pointed across the river asking if I had seen the glyphs by the pine tree, yes I replied I have, she asked do you know what it means? Yes I said, it gives directions to a cave down canyon which we passed, have you been to the cave I asked? Yes she replied, looking quickly at her husband, have you? she asked... No I have not I replied... Then she asked if I had been to the panel up canyon which had a nice spiral high on the ledge and asked if I had seen it and studied it and knew what it meant... yes I said in fact it was an easy one... oh ya? she said disbelieving looking again at her husband,  what does it mean... I told her it means "don't go to the right it is a bad way, go to the left around the ledges then ascend up to an over hanging ledge in which you will find under it, a granary. I asked her if she had ever been up to it, yes still looking a bit surprised... I haven't I said.

The purpose of this part is in an effort to shed some light on the subject and clarify many of the things of which I feel I have failed to explain in previous attempts. A simple one time reading of LaVan Martineau’s book The Rocks Begin to Speak is NOT sufficient for most of its readers, many do NOT get the idea the first read. For clarification, we need to understand the terminology which I will be using so that you can understand my reasons for using different terms which have in the past been misunderstood as to what was being said.

At another time many years ago A wise but skeptical friend of mine sent me a picture of a petroglyph asking me If I knew what it meant. I told him I generally will not try to decipher a glyph by a picture alone and that I prefer to see it in person, but I would make an exception for him... I said looking at the picture that I can tell you are in a wash and to your left is a ridge in which there should be a trail going up, when it comes to a flat area, turn to the right and in a short distance you should find some ruins...  Now he knew I had never seen this place before and none of the things described were in the picture, next thing after he read my email, the phone rings, his first words was, "how the hell did you do that?" "You just described the exact circumstances to get from the glyph to some ruins high above the glyph".... what could I say?

Continuing on...

In the following I am going to attempt to talk primarily about five seemingly different types of writing forms. Also mentioning others of which some are believed to be different from the others and they are only different in application (Different Rules, if you will), and different in that they are modified in the manner of different speech. 

Many will read and read and still it never clicks. To those people, my advice with no offense intended, is to toss in the towel; you were not meant to know. We will be talking about what is primarily referred to as Native American Petroglyphs and Pictographs, including what is believed to be sub groups such as Fremont Style Anasazi Style or Vernal Style when in fact there is no style to speak of. They are the same, differing only in subject mmatter and in SOME cases, minor tribal differences (Application) due to perspective or manner of speech.

We will discuss what is known as Mystery Glyphs, The Lenape Wallum Olum, the Ojibwa Hieroglyphs and Egyptian and how all of them, including the Native American Petroglyphs, have a common root.

Understanding the terms used.

Symbol

The symbol was created from the motions of Hand Sign language but is not limited to; it may also be symbolic of some thing as seen by the eye in its natural appearance or its natural motion. An example might be the symbol for "wooden object" which is identical to the symbol of our alphabet the letter Y. A symbol is to express some concept, action or idea. A hieroglyph such as a Mystery Glyph, Ojibwa Glyph or an Egyptian Glyph is NOT a symbol, it IS a combination of symbols put together to create a sentence or extended meaning of the symbols themselves, NOT a phonic sound like Wallace Budge would have you believe... These symbols are of ancient origin and are most likely the very root of all Hieroglyphs. When in history, was the first time that a hand sign language was NEEDED other than the possibility that some where in history we had an overwhelming amount of people in a society that were deaf?  In ancient times, these people were generally shunned and no special consideration was given. They didn't have Hillary and Obama to look out for them. 

But seriously now... the first time a hand sign language would have come into NEED is shortly after the Confusion of Tongues, something had to be done to re-establish some form of communication and this is the very place that I believe this originated. Shortly afterwards, after many attempts to convey a message by drawing in the sand... a hand sign language was created. This was the first impulse when two people came together who did not understand each other. This would be your response, unless you are like many who just try speaking slower as if this might help. I believe the hand signing was converted to a system of symbols modeled after the already in place hand sign language. At this time it would make perfect sense to add several other independent symbols to convey any other concept, action or idea which hand sign language could not convey. For this very reason our modern day sign language for the deaf is accompanied with a sign language for the alphabet in order to spell things which cannot be relayed by sign language alone.

Near everyone is familiar with the fact that no matter what tribe was encountered when the Europeans arrived on this continent, was that most of the Indigenous regardless of where they were found, could understand each other through signing even if one was from the southern most regions of South America, and the other from the great lakes. Now, could they all understand the glyphs? Maybe.

The 3rd Panel I had ever found...

(as short as the story it tells is... it is an interesting one.)

Hieroglyph or Character

This is what is referred to as a symbol combination and/or symbol incorporation. A Hieroglyph or Character is NOT a symbol. Many would call this a symbol and it is often viewed as a symbol which they assume has a one word meaning, when in fact a Hieroglyph or Character is a combination of symbols (words) to express some Extended concept, action or idea of the symbols that make up the character. In the same way you would add to a sentence using the English words such as The Red House you have used 3 words of which house and red would represent single symbols, but if you wanted to be more descriptive you would add more words such as The Big Red House or if you wanted to expand upon this idea it may be something like The big Red House on the Hill and so on, this is exactly how symbol combinations work.

Each Hieroglyph or Character used whether it is of the Mystery Glyphs, Wallum Olum, Egyptian Glyphs or the Ojibwa Glyphs is designed to express a specific idea According to their manner of speech. This is the very reason why some of the Mystery Glyphs may not be exactly the same as the Ojibwa Glyph because a slightly different concept, action or idea is being expressed or the two are from two similar but different speaking language groups and do not share the same meaning in a specific word.

The most likely solution as to why they are and not all identical is that you are comparing apples to oranges in that you are comparing two seemingly like symbols used by both groups but you are comparing The Big Red House to The Big Round Red House or to The Big Scarlet House  or The Blue House OR, the subject of the panel is similar but different enough to warrant a different derivative word other than the assigned base meaning word for that symbol. Also, not all languages have interchanging words which perfectly describes the other.

Symbol Combinations

Another example of this would be from Tomkins' book and the Ojibwa Character that he says means Morning. You will notice that he has two other VERY similar glyphs; one meaning Noon and one meaning Evening.

Are these symbols the same? Are these symbols? No they are not symbols, they are Hieroglyphs or Characters and no, even though it is the same concept or idea showing the positioning of the sun, they are not the same because some variable in the concept is different. This is pointed out because some would say that the Ojibwa Glyphs are not exactly the same as the Mystery Glyphs or visa versa and are only similar. I would say that is because we have yet to see ALL of the possible combinations of the symbols that make them up. This would be like someone who had never seen the English language supposing that, because they had identified 250 phrases using English words, they now understood the English language. We do not have to point out the hundreds of thousands of combinations of English words to form different phrases.

The glyph we see as Morning using the symbol of Hidden or Covering as the sky and the short line placed at the suns position at the location of Morning, Noon and Evening which comes from the symbol, On Top being a symbol looking like an upside down capitol T. this is also an extension of the meaning Holding Firm or Having to do with which is a sideways capitol T. These two symbols COMBINED give us the Glyph for Morning, Noon and Evening by virtue of the positioning or placement of the upside down T.  This you will find is the same in all of the discussed writing systems differing only in a application, style of writing or none at all. In one more example in which some would say that they are similar but not identical is the symbol found in the mystery glyphs.

Are these two hieroglyphs identical? Many would say they are the same yet the answer is NO they are not, yet it would seem quite obvious that they share a common root. The biggest difference that I see is probably not what you would see. The difference which matters most to me is the lines surrounding the circle which forms the head. In the Mystery Glyph the lines touch the head and in the Ojibwa Glyph they do not, why?  I don't see "Wise Man," I see Man of God. Let’s look at a little rule I discovered many years ago through much trial and error and application of this rule. I won’t bore you with how I discovered this and further more I wouldn’t expect you to believe it. But in short the best way to explain it is by using the Gone symbol which is actually two symbols together and technically it is a Hieroglyph, Character or a combination of symbols.

Wherever movement or locater symbols are used with the line (Trail or Path) attached to another symbol; this means From and where it leads but is not attached means To.

Assuming that Tompkins was correct in the meaning that he had attributed to Wise Man, it would be most fitting in which perspective comes into play when you examine the two together meaning the Mystery Glyph and the Ojibwa Glyph. In the Ojibwa glyph, what is coming INTO the head? Well the only thing that really makes sense is some form of knowledge. So in the Mystery Glyph by the same token, what is going out (From) the head? Again it would seem that the logical explanation is again: some form of knowledge. But how do you get knowledge to go out to another with nothing but thought?  Depending upon your perspective or the manner of your speech, these two glyphs can mean the same thing or either can mean any derivative of wise man such as Prophet or Teacher, and are more than just wise men. It depends on the intended subject of the author of the panel and his perspective along with his manner of speech, etc...

Symbol Incorporation

Symbol Incorporation is very much like symbol combinations except that rather than one symbol being attached to another or being added to the overall glyph, a single symbol may take upon the characteristics of another symbol, thereby creating what might be viewed as a new symbol or character. The chart below, created by LaVan Martineau, is the best example of the differences between Symbol Combinations and Symbol Incorporations. Keep in mind that once two symbols are put together by combination or incorporation it becomes a hieroglyph or character.

The examples shown above are found on page 14 of LaVan’s book. We see in column A, the symbol combinations, and in column B, the symbols that make them up. In column C are the symbol incorporations, while in column D, the symbols that make them up. If you take a good look at any of the Glyphs whether they are Egyptian, Mystery Glyph, Ojibwa or the Wallum Olum, you will find examples of this; Column A and C are Characters NOT symbols.

Symbol base meaning

The Symbol Base Meaning is a word meaning attributed to a single symbol, but it is NOT its absolute meaning, it is general and onl;y recently assigned by LaVan Martineau or myself. Largely this exists due to the differences in Language. We may not have an exact word which describes a symbol used by those who created the symbol. Depending upon the subject of the panel, a proper or best fitting derivative word of the base meaning word must be identified and most certainly will vary from panel to panel never loosing its base meaning. An example would be in the Symbol known as a simple circle, the base meaning would be Holding, yet many meanings can be attributed to just this one symbol depending on the subject of the panel. It can mean Camp, Lake, Sky, Cave, or even infinity, anything that holds something. The word infinity is added simply because the circle is actually an extension of the symbol which carries the base meaning of Go which is just a straight line, which can also mean Trail, Path or Path of Life. By bringing the line full circle, infinity is accomplished. However, I have yet to see this symbol meaning infinity in any panel. The point is that you need to find the best word or set of words that fit the subject.

Subject

The Subject of the panel is self explanatory, it is what the panel is about, and knowing or discovering the subject can make the task of translating much easier in finding the proper derivative word of the Base Meaning. Discovering the subject can be easy or very difficult, study of the ways of the ancients is a must, their beliefs, study of the area in which the glyphs was found is often very helpful in discovering the subject, and there is another little trick as well which I will withhold at this time.

The second panel I had found in about 1988 and previously unknown and still is,

however it is badly overgrown and difficult to find, the above image is enhanced for viewing.

The Quadruped or “Goat Symbol”

Although LaVan Martineau in his book, gives what I see as a clear understandable explanation of the mysterious Goat Symbol and sometimes called Sheep Glyph, I will add but a little…

UNLESS it was actually intended to represent a particular animal, what is often referred to as, Mountain Goats, Dear or Elk has NOTHING to do with ANY animal. How do you know the difference? The Native American is very well known for their keen eye and ability to capture the majority of the details when recreating some thing, in short, they are known as some of the best artists on the planet. If it were meant to represent a specific animal, it will look like it WITHOUT the stretch of the imagination often applied.

This little critters appearance at almost every petroglyph site has caused more misunderstanding that any other glyph and because of superficial viewing, or the unwillingness to investigate, we end up with pure conjecture. An example of this might be had concerning what has been termed as the “Great Hunt Panel” due to superficial viewing and as a result of two things in the panel which some say,  “Obviously” has to do with hunting. The appearance of what seems to be a man holding a bow, and a high frequency of some animal looking like a sort of Deer, however this panel has absolutely nothing to do with the hunting of animals.

 The Great Hunt?

This fictitious animal was created for the sole purpose of conveying “Lateral Movement” and this is why it appears in high frequency world wide. In most panels it will be associated with what we have come to identify as "Locator Glyphs." For more understanding, see The Rocks Begin to Speak pg 3 and pg 47.

The Breakdown

The breakdown is exactly what it sounds like and created by myself many years ago; it is the process by which a panel is dissected into its single independent symbols in order to identify them, to give a clearer picture in order to attribute the base meanings to the many symbols. A chart is made of all the symbols found.

The best way I can think to explain the breakdown is of course demonstration of which I will give an example in the end, however, in my research I am faced often with very old hand written documents which are always in cursive. Many are tattered, torn and in shaky hand writing, I often find myself systematically segregating the many easier identifiable words, in order to discover what they may be by comparison to those which are not so obscure and compare the letters in each of them in order to find the intended often not so easy to identify word.

With the Native American Glyphs it is much like receiving an old hand written document of some foreign language using the alphabet. The difference is, In the Native Glyphs we only have part of the alphabet, with barely understood application of rules and or applicable principles. Identifying the many single symbols used, in the end makes it possible to discover the subject of the panel, but most important, the potential meaning of the panel.

Origins

I have already expressed my opinion as to when and where this all started, and this would explain why it has spread to virtually every continent of the world and seems to retain the same meaning with some slight deviations. But how did this glyph system get here to the Americas? I believe that shortly after the confusion of tongues and in about 2400 BC, a family of the descendants of Japheth left the location of the Tower Babylon which was North of the Caspian Sea, then migrated to the regions of today’s east coast China, these are the people who would eventually became the fathers and mothers of all Asian people and at this time the closest living relative would be the Altai Mongolian and on this continent after much intermixing would be the Inuit, Navajo and Hopi (but not limited to). I would bet ALL Native American people have the Haplogroups A, B, C & D in thier Mit DNA.

Not long after they arrived in the area of eastern China, a group of them broke away and sailed into their eastern sea arriving some time later at or near today’s California coast. Whether these people brought this symbol based system of hieroglyphs that we know as Native American Petroglyphs, is unknown. It does not make sense that they would bring it with them as according to what we might consider as our scriptures, they retained the original language both spoken and written and to this day, examples are found from east to west but is often suppressed. It is likely that some unknown group came to this continent at a later date, bringing it with them. One such group could have been a migration from India which resulted in a very successful colonization prior to 900 BC and who were by the way, the begining of the Mayan people. If so, they would have had a need for it to communicate with those who had come here around 2400 BC whom we presume had knowledge of it as well.

It is more likely, however, that after this people, the first Americans, had nearly annihilated themselves due to a civil war with few remaining and with this occurring about 650 BC, that another group brought this system of symbols with them with these people being of Hebrew Origin according to DNA studies, Haplogroup X and who arrived according to many sources on our eastern coast near the Delmarva Peninsula about 600 BC and at near the same time another who sailed up the Mississippi and establishing themselves. Another group documented by the Aztec with the specific date given of 635 BC, said to have landed on the northern tip of the Yucatan peninsula.

Most Archaeologists today do not recognize The Native American Petroglyph as a writing system. They see it as doodling, hunting magic or meaningless scribbling, Ironically exactly what I deem their writing as.. I’ve heard it all from their own mouths. At the same time they attribute style to them such as Fremont style, Vernal style, Barrier style and Anasazi style. This, in and of itself makes no sense. Are they saying it a Meaningless Scribbling Style? What is it they are trying to say or not say? If the scribbling conveys ANY kind of a message whatsoever, then it is a writing system.

In the first part of this little treatise I said...

"In the two following images I am going to give you the translation as simple as it needs to be, the message from the past as to what message was intended by them, and later in this progressive report, I will demonstrate a "breakdown" of the glyphs and explain why I have given the meaning I have..." 

Well that time has come and in the following I will now perform the breakdown to help you better understand this process and hopefully give you a better understanding of the Native American Petroglyphs and to better support in your mind as to the possibilities of the Native glyphs as a true written language.

In the first image below and using the breakdown, I will give explanation to a degree, I hope it is sufficient for the reader. The interpretation I gave is as follows;

"There is a tree growing upon a rock and covering it, the tree has been cut off in the middle with two remaining branches which spread wide. The rock it grows upon is a part of a cavern, All of this is hard to see."

Now of course I have added in filler words for clarity but this would be the basic translation, If I did not, it would read something like this:

"Hidden, Tree on Rock covering, cut off in middle, rock part of Cavern, right side open near end."

Even that may not be entirely accurate as the learning process never seems to end.

With this said lets look at the image below showing the breakdown of symbols perceived or viewed withing the glyph itself be it symbol combinations, symbol incorporation or what is referred to as "rock incorporation where in the features of the rock the glyphs are on, are incorporated to give added meaning. For examples of Rock Incorporation see page 201 Index of The Rocks Begin to Speak.

For a Larger Image, click the picture.

Beginning with a. we have hidden, in most cases when a symbol is located above separate from the main glyphs, it usually represents the subject OR has to do with the entire subject, in this case it does not represent the subject but is simply meaning, All of this is hard to see, THIS being the main body or subject of this panel.

b. means wooden object and in this case a tree, the symbol is incorporated into the main body of the glyph which in fact looks some what like a tree on a rock, something which I have noticed over the years is the ability of the Natives to cause the glyph in many cases to actually look like the thing they are talking about, at the same time using the symbols and combining them to say the same thing.

c. is the incorporation of, off, of the top to indicate the tree being cut off in the middle. It to being ingeniously incorporated into what would be the main body of the tree and branches.

d. evaded my understanding for some time as it seemed repetitive, however I believe it was added here to convey or clarify the message of the branches are what is covering everything and making it all hard to see or hidden of which it was indeed when we located it. It was not until the branches were pulled back that one could see the tree had been cut off.

e. is understandable enough, clarifying the tree on top of the rock, however the incorporation of f. to veer still evades my understanding as to why it was included.

g. and h. were clearly representation of the outcrop or rock in which the tree grew, and one would actually have to see for themselves the uncanny scene which has been captured in the glyph, so much so, it left no doubt.

i. Over the years I have discovered that when ever ANY line symbol makes a complete loop and coming back to itself, regardless of its shape and especially when the shape itself does not seem to match any particular known symbol, that the meaning of holding is present, and what you are looking at, is more than likely a geological feature as is the case here, and it is a beautiful rendition of the rock outcrop itself. But why is holding include?

j. may be insignificant other than without it, it would not accurately describe what was being looked for and if it had not been present and I had not found the final glyph with final instructions, I would have questioned the meaning.

k. I am uncertain as it could be open, but at the same time meaning end. I am still unclear as to what the author intended...

But, where do I look for this I thought, and why? and then I looked up and to the left...

After evaluating the previous glyph I was puzzled, I couldn't understand why these instructions were given. After following the trail or locator glyphs from the first panel now 1/2 mile away, I found my self wondering why are they're here? What is this all leading to? How do I find this tree as there are so many? Just then I looked a little closer and up and to the left, and there was the glyphs to, in part answer that question.

Ah, I thought, there is the subject and what I was looking for, and the instructions as to how to find it. I cannot explain the rush that overcomes you when you feel you understand what the author is talking about in any panel. 

Keep in mind, it seems that never is it as easy as it may seem here in this example to read the glyphs, even at this early date of my studies, it just so happens that many of these symbols I was quite familiar with, even 25 plus years ago. Even at this early point in time, I had already worn out one of LaVans books and was well into wearing out my second. Today I rarely even look at the book.

Let me reiterate the translation of this glyph as given in part one; 

There is a man made object, made to hold some thing. From this (side) or outcrop, turn left and go down. over the ledges, through the wash (Gully, Rock Incorporation)) to here. 

After a little trial and error in figuring out what was being said, I cleared my head and went over  it again carefully this time I looked in the direction intended, and spotted what I thought was the tree in question some 60 yards away. It would be another dozen or more visits to this place before I discovered the right tree intended, just 12 yards uphill. Keep in mind, at this time I had not understood exactly what was being said about the tree being cut off in the middle. This would not be understood until one day quite frustrated as I knew I was in the right place, I parted the branches of the correct tree and my jaw dropped as I realized that portion of the panel seeing it had been cut. I recall at that moment saying, "now if I could only find that last glyph that I know is here... at that moment the Swiss exchange student that was with us that day, pointed at the rock I was sitting on examining the tree and said, whats that? pointing at the very glyph I had looked for for so long.

On with the breakdown....

a. As I said in the previous breakdown in part five, when a glyph is located above and set apart from what appears to be the main glyph, it is often the subject of the panel or has to do with the subject. In this particular case, it is the subject, and the subject as best as I can put it is, A man made place (stone Box or man made Vault) containing some thing... 

The man made portion of the translation is arrived at by the incorporation of the center of the circle in being squared off, (b.) yet remaining with rounded corners. This indicates it was made for this purpose.

The remaining group of glyphs are among the first glyphs I had learned and are what we call locator glyphs. c. is the symbol in this case for turn and go down, it can by itself also mean turn and go right, but because it was attached or touching the symbol d. (Side) this brings in the meaning of From. Had it been detached as is the dot at the end of the trail symbol, with the dot, it would have read turn and go right TO this side.

The symbol e. (Steps) or the intended meaning, ledges, further clarifies the previous where in From is again intended, so at this point we have, From this side or outcrop, turn left and go down over the ledges.

f. is the only form present and used at this site of what is called Rock Incorporation and is a natural gouge in the rock and its intended incorporated meaning is that you will be crossing some form of gully, wash or the like. 

g. is a combination of two glyphs, the remainder of the glyph (line) not shown in the charts specifically with the meaning of trail or path and TO the detached (dot) symbol meaning here or in some cases one.

After all of this I know you are feeling what I did as I followed the path, what could possibly be hidden in this place and why would the Indigenous go to so much trouble to conceal it after it was marked by the cutting of the tree, presumably by Spaniards, and then re-mark the presumed same thing, in their own way to obviously conceal it from others, but yet mark it sufficiently so that it could be found by a later generation? I have an answer, and I am sorry, but I must bite my tongue... I will say however that this is NOT a burial site, or at least it was not intended to be so...

I hope this little treatise of 6 parts was enough to convince you of the probability of the Native American Glyph as having strong possibilities of being a written hieroglyphic form of communication. At least to a degree of curiosity to choose to further investigate the Native American Petroglyph and Pictographs.

Thank You...

If you should choose more to understand LaVan Maritineau's hypothesis of the Native American Glyphs as a written language, seek out a copy of his book, The Rocks Begin to Speak.

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